ThoughtIdRetired ( talk) 13:17, 21 January 2020 (UTC) Reply I'll come back to this in a while if the problem is still there. I would need to dig out some good quality references to do this, and have a backlog of other Wikipedia projects right now. ![]() Yes, this article does need some attention. Essentially, a "clipper" is a sailing vessel built for speed. The developer of this list was presumably influenced by the American part of the story and has inserted the word "ships" to limit the list just to that part of the overall picture, Welcome to the world of nautical terminology, where so many words have 2 different meanings and some experts seem completely unaware of both of them. And then we have the Baltimore Clipper - confusingly not really called "clippers" in their lifetime, but certainly given that name afterwards. Many Opium Clippers were schooners or brigantines. A notable example of an Opium Clipper was the Hellas, a former "fruit schooner", 2 masted with fore and aft rig on both but some square rig on the foremast as well (the usual situation with schooners of this era). And both are very different from the Opium Clippers, which were operated in Chinese waters by Europeans and some Americans. These were quite different from the tea clippers that sailed from (mostly) London or Liverpool to China. The emphasis on "clipper ships" tends to be from those writing about the American vessels of this type - most famous for sailing from the East Coast to California. If you look at old newspapers, for instance, you can find adverts for passages in a "clipper brig" - so that is a smaller vessel, but designed for fast sailing. Whilst most were, it is not a defining characteristic of a "clipper" - and certainly was not used in that way when clippers were commonly found in trade. Additionally, I think it is confusing to emphasise that clippers were fully rigged ships. The more general uses of the word make this somewhat opaque. "Ship" means (in this context) Full-rigged ship - so that's with square rig on all 3 masts. TransControl, you need to read the entire paragraph to get the sense of what is meant by this. Please could someone more knowledgeable that I rewrite it or define 'ship' in this context. 'Among other characteristics which define a clipper is that they were usually ships in the strictest sense of the word'. ![]() This article has been rated as List-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. Ships Wikipedia:WikiProject Ships Template:WikiProject Ships Ships articles To use this banner, please see the full instructions. If you would like to help improve this and other articles, please join the project, or contribute to the project discussion. This article is within the scope of WikiProject Ships, a project to improve all Ship-related articles. This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale. This article has been rated as List-class on the project's quality scale. Lists Wikipedia:WikiProject Lists Template:WikiProject Lists List articles If you wish to help, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion. ![]() This article is within the scope of WikiProject Lists, an attempt to structure and organize all list pages on Wikipedia.
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